Erm, I think that's exactly pboltc's point, that he thinks it should have been left as it is Jim in the first place in which case it wouldn't have any bolts in it. Anyways, it's bolting turned out to be a bit of an acid test so to speak which resulted in any future retro bolting of existing routes being considered even more carefully than perhaps before. Either way, with regard to this route it's a tired subject and one which really should be put to bed now. Please please please though don't use the "you don't have to clip them" reasoning, it shows a distinct lack of understanding of the issue.

 out of  found this valuable. Do you find this valuable?